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Post by Dick Boushee on Jun 3, 2008 1:26:24 GMT -6
So is everyone officially on the other board now? Even the ones who didn't like the idea? Just curious, I can't see the action on that board because you have to create an account. I know this board has been unaccessible lately for the past couple days but still seems like traffic/convo has halted drastically. I tried spreading the word a lil via myspace and other online commune, not sure how much it will help though. Damn it, I sincerely liked this board and most the members.
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Post by ryanveitch on Jun 3, 2008 2:47:24 GMT -6
Whats the other board?
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Post by Dick Boushee on Jun 3, 2008 13:33:07 GMT -6
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Post by Wang on Jun 3, 2008 14:26:52 GMT -6
I just felt this board didn't represent the music scene at all really. A handfull of people bashing the rest of the music scene isn't really anything at all. That's why we made the new one.
Join the new board nick, it's not THAT bad. haha
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Post by kasey on Jun 3, 2008 14:58:54 GMT -6
that's fucking bullshit charley, you were the one who felt the need to label it "Punk/Hardcore" and take sides. i don't care about control that much.
there's other facets of the local scene besides brocore and the occasional crust or pop punk band.
my ideal goal for this board would be to cover all aspects of the scene, provide a place where people can come and say what they want to say (however fucked up or nasty it might be) and not feel the need to be discluded or not part of some elite club.
i don't feel like fighting on this issue really because it's been done enough, but i'm saying from my perspective there are things that you and your "scene" are doing which are very contradictory to the ideals you'd like to reflect.
i don't feel i belong to any particular group at all and rather draw my own conclusions on who and what is the best in every little scene facet. i think of myself as an individual thinker and don't really want to be a part of anything.
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Post by phil on Jun 4, 2008 1:33:38 GMT -6
I still check this board daily and haven't joined the other board in hopes that this one might continue. The idea of the other one just seemed really exclusive to me. I don't consider myself a member of the hardcore community in Fargo (nothing against it) and I'm pretty sure the community doesn't either, so I don't think it's appropriate for me to join. This site was cool, when I first showed up it seemed pretty inclusive for people interested in music in general and you could talk about all kinds of upcoming shows and other random shit.
I'm not sure exactly what happened to prompt the split (so far every reason given has seemed really vague to me), but I think it sucks that it happened.
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Post by Gramps on Jun 4, 2008 9:02:27 GMT -6
that's fucking bullshit charley, you were the one who felt the need to label it "Punk/Hardcore" and take sides. i don't care about control that much. there's other facets of the local scene besides brocore and the occasional crust or pop punk band. my ideal goal for this board would be to cover all aspects of the scene, provide a place where people can come and say what they want to say (however fucked up or nasty it might be) and not feel the need to be discluded or not part of some elite club. i don't feel like fighting on this issue really because it's been done enough, but i'm saying from my perspective there are things that you and your "scene" are doing which are very contradictory to the ideals you'd like to reflect. i don't feel i belong to any particular group at all and rather draw my own conclusions on who and what is the best in every little scene facet. i think of myself as an individual thinker and don't really want to be a part of anything. he does raise some good points. |
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Post by kasey on Jun 4, 2008 11:38:07 GMT -6
i feel a lot of it is simply competition. by ignoring the others who aren't necessarily down with their brotherhood, they can act as if they are the only game in town and recruit new members.
prison barber promotions is a business entity now. i don't feel that it was like that to begin with and i still think they care about the music and shit, but from what i've seen they care about the business just as much if not more. (and by business i don't necessarily mean monetary profit, because we all know what kind of times we're in now as far as that goes)
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Post by Dick Boushee on Jun 4, 2008 12:07:41 GMT -6
Join the new board nick, it's not THAT bad. haha I am sure it's not bad at all. I wasn't trying to say the other board is bad. Its probably the same as what this board used to be, given it has most the old members of this board. I would like to see one board again, I dont care which one, either that one or this one. For one major reason alone: Fargo is not that big and doesn't need 2 boards to represent it fully. |
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Post by cutandrun on Jun 4, 2008 13:05:29 GMT -6
We should all start our own boards.
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Post by Gramps on Jun 4, 2008 13:23:21 GMT -6
We should all start our own boards. no way. thats to much work. I will just lurk on yours. |
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Post by Wang on Jun 4, 2008 13:46:12 GMT -6
that's fucking bullshit charley, you were the one who felt the need to label it "Punk/Hardcore" and take sides. i don't care about control that much. there's other facets of the local scene besides brocore and the occasional crust or pop punk band. my ideal goal for this board would be to cover all aspects of the scene, provide a place where people can come and say what they want to say (however fucked up or nasty it might be) and not feel the need to be discluded or not part of some elite club. i don't feel like fighting on this issue really because it's been done enough, but i'm saying from my perspective there are things that you and your "scene" are doing which are very contradictory to the ideals you'd like to reflect. i don't feel i belong to any particular group at all and rather draw my own conclusions on who and what is the best in every little scene facet. i think of myself as an individual thinker and don't really want to be a part of anything. We made the new board to pretty much say fuck everything else, and it's working out pretty good so far. I'm WAS all about diversity and helping out the music scene, but after a while i've realized it's not worth it, and most of the time you just get shit on. |
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Post by Wang on Jun 4, 2008 13:50:29 GMT -6
prison barber promotions is a business entity now. i don't feel that it was like that to begin with and i still think they care about the music and shit, but from what i've seen they care about the business just as much if not more. (and by business i don't necessarily mean monetary profit, because we all know what kind of times we're in now as far as that goes) Yep, a business that works hard and actually makes some money to bring bands that people are into, and not seeing in dime of it in reality. Fuck you dude, you don't know how we run and how we work things. |
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Post by Gramps on Jun 4, 2008 14:11:07 GMT -6
prison barber promotions is a business entity now. i don't feel that it was like that to begin with and i still think they care about the music and shit, but from what i've seen they care about the business just as much if not more. (and by business i don't necessarily mean monetary profit, because we all know what kind of times we're in now as far as that goes) Yep, a business that works hard and actually makes some money to bring bands that people are into, and not seeing in dime of it in reality. Fuck you dude, you don't know how we run and how we work things. wow charley, settle down homey. |
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Post by Wang on Jun 4, 2008 14:21:14 GMT -6
Yep, a business that works hard and actually makes some money to bring bands that people are into, and not seeing in dime of it in reality. Fuck you dude, you don't know how we run and how we work things. wow charley, settle down homey. It just pisses me off when people think we are making all this money, and buying camaros and weed. All the money that we make (which is usually nothing) goes into a pot, that is used for making flyers, backup cash, and other misc stuff for promoting. We are starting to book bigger bands, some bands that we don't like, but they work with the same booking agent for bands that we do like, and that we hopefully can get here sometime soon. The more we work with them, the better chances we have with, in our opinion, some pretty awesome bands. I dunno, sorry for freaking out, but don't say a bunch of shit when you really have no idea what it's like to be in our shoes. We do need some sort of money to keep shows going, and taking it out of our pockets all the time wouldn't last long. yeah. |
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Post by Dick Boushee on Jun 4, 2008 14:32:13 GMT -6
Pbp does not get enough credit for what they bring here and with that in mind Wangs response is right. Whether you like the music they bring, doesnt matter, they do it for a legit reason: an sincere love for the music they love, hardcore, punk, etc . . . Anyone who has talked to Wang knows he is not in this for the money and it shows in his bands, his promoting/booking AND the creation of online places to get info on the scene as a whole (FM area shows).
I didn't want this thread to turn into a hardcore bashing thread, I was simply wondering what the ONLINE communities were doing/heading to.
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Post by kasey on Jun 4, 2008 19:26:39 GMT -6
even when i made it abundantly clear that you guys love what you do and that's why you do it you still got hostile. annoying to say the least.
there isn't shit in money when it comes to promoting which is why i don't ever do shows (and i have, so fuck you if you think it takes someone special to put on a show, because it doesn't.)
i don't think you guys are in it for profit and i said it before.
the thing i don't like is your us vs. them attitude when in this small of a market it's completely unwarranted and i take it as a slap to the face personally.
i would still play your shows for free anytime though man, from a musician's standpoint, it's a good crowd that wouldn't come out to the shows we usually play.
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Post by Wang on Jun 4, 2008 22:07:20 GMT -6
even when i made it abundantly clear that you guys love what you do and that's why you do it you still got hostile. annoying to say the least. there isn't shit in money when it comes to promoting which is why i don't ever do shows (and i have, so fuck you if you think it takes someone special to put on a show, because it doesn't.) i don't think you guys are in it for profit and i said it before. the thing i don't like is your us vs. them attitude when in this small of a market it's completely unwarranted and i take it as a slap to the face personally. i would still play your shows for free anytime though man, from a musician's standpoint, it's a good crowd that wouldn't come out to the shows we usually play. To set up and maintain the amount of shows we do, I think it takes a decent amount of initiative and work to make them happen, and not loose money. Not just anybody can set up a decent show, unless you book a band that everyone loves. BUT I also get personally offended when you take low blows at people you don't even know, like you do all the time. I think that is completely unwarranted. |
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Post by Wang on Jun 4, 2008 22:26:21 GMT -6
oh the internet, this is lame, wouldn't you agree?
This will never be resolved, like you said Kasey, it's been done enough.
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Post by ryanveitch on Jun 4, 2008 22:55:17 GMT -6
My main gripe with shows lately in F-M is the near total lack of diversity on bills. I know there are many schools of thought on the matter, but I loved the mixed genre shows that I used to see, it keep things from getting repetitive and got people who might not normally see certain bands into music they may not have otherwise heard. When I was booking shows I tried to mix it up alot like that, I won't claim I put on the sweetest shows on earth, but I almost always had decent turnouts and lots of fun, not to mention there was a little more of a "community" than "scene" attitude in my opinion. I guess I have gone to less shows lately partially out of that mindset/attitude I get lately.
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Post by addisonshark on Jun 4, 2008 23:31:58 GMT -6
My main gripe with shows lately in F-M is the near total lack of diversity on bills. I know there are many schools of thought on the matter, but I loved the mixed genre shows that I used to see, it keep things from getting repetitive and got people who might not normally see certain bands into music they may not have otherwise heard. When I was booking shows I tried to mix it up alot like that, I won't claim I put on the sweetest shows on earth, but I almost always had decent turnouts and lots of fun, not to mention there was a little more of a "community" than "scene" attitude in my opinion. I guess I have gone to less shows lately partially out of that mindset/attitude I get lately. the shows zander has been doing at the raven are pretty diverse in my opinion. |
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Post by Wang on Jun 5, 2008 7:04:32 GMT -6
I just wish there were more good bands in general. There is tons of kids that go to shows, yet they don't play any instruments, or have no ambition to go out and start something with music. They just go to shows to be "scene" and that bums me out a little.
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Post by Gramps on Jun 5, 2008 7:37:01 GMT -6
wow charley, settle down homey. It just pisses me off when people think we are making all this money, and buying camaros and weed. where's my camaro and my weed nukka? I know what you are saying dawg. I remember the shit storm that came down after the first rock n roll xmas. I made allllllllll this money and only paid the locals who stuck around 40bucks, free beer(which cost me about 200) after the show and free bowling(which cost me about 100). there are some people around fargo who still think i fucked them on some level for that show. oh well, fuck them. who cares. honestly dude, if you and the other PBP cats took the money and ran, its your deal. its money that you cats made, and no one elses business. period. I know thats not what you are doing, because you arent that kind of dude. Im actually really proud of you and PBP, keep it up. and you have learned the most important lesson. you cant always book bands you like.  |
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Post by Torey. on Jun 5, 2008 9:07:57 GMT -6
i think its a little odd that it bums you out that you think everyone who isnt in a band and goes to shows is being " scene." I take that as you saying that people who are passionate about music are both obligated to listen to it and play it. i play drums, guitar, and piano and love music but feel absolutely no obligation to any scene, but instead to what i think is interesting, like jungle drumming. and furthermore i think its alienating that edge kids get away with patronizing the people who drink or smoke with all the "smoke weed!" "drink some beers!" and the wasties cant say anything without being GANGED
because it would be really cool to smoke weed and drink some beers with you guys, and everytime you say it, your letting all of us down
the other board sucks because im not a moderator
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Post by Gramps on Jun 5, 2008 9:40:25 GMT -6
and furthermore i think its alienating that edge kids get away with patronizing the people who drink or smoke with all the "smoke weed!" "drink some beers!" and the wasties cant say anything without being GANGED bullshit. I say and do whatever the fuck i want. not one edge kid has said a word to me about my smoking, and my smoking, and the pills i ingest. the first time it ever happens, i will trounce the first kid who says it. I had one of the kids from WOE do some kind of coughing shit in the back stair well at the aquarium, it made me giggle a little and i blew smoke at him every time he walked by after that. yea, im a dick so what. I dont think its a wise idea for an edge kid to tell someone what they are doing is wrong. who do they think they are? id love to go to salt lake city and have a bunch of the militant edge kids start shit with me. |
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Post by kasey on Jun 5, 2008 10:39:15 GMT -6
BUT I also get personally offended when you take low blows at people you don't even know, like you do all the time. I think that is completely unwarranted. pathetic assessment and terrible argument. "you don't know me" yeah right. it's a small town man, and regardless of how much i talk to you face to face in person (which is always more enjoyable than this bullshit because frankly i hate talking about music and bands i'm in etc with people) i think i have a good enough handle on it all and am an active enough participant in local music to form a concise opinion on what's going on. i didn't try to get personal at all and i think you guys are all very solid guys. |
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Post by kasey on Jun 5, 2008 10:40:49 GMT -6
BUT I also get personally offended when you take low blows at people you don't even know, like you do all the time. I think that is completely unwarranted. pathetic assessment and terrible argument. "you don't know me" yeah right. it's a small town man, and regardless of how much i talk to you face to face in person (which is always more enjoyable than this bullshit because frankly i hate talking about music and bands i'm in etc with people) there's a lot of hot gossip and by reading shit people post on these boards as well - i think i have a good enough handle on it all and am an active enough participant in local music to form a concise opinion on what's going on. (whether you agree or not at all is your own choice). i didn't try to get personal at all and i think you guys are all very solid guys. |
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Post by Dick Boushee on Jun 28, 2008 12:03:37 GMT -6
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Post by doubleyousee on Apr 17, 2009 8:49:14 GMT -6
Sad shit. I leave and come back to all of this..  |
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